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Background

There are roughly 50 works that purport to be gospels of the early church, but there exists further information for only 20 of these gospels, four of which are the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospel of Judas is one of the 16 other gospels about which some information has historically been preserved in early church writings.

The only known manuscript that included the text of the Gospel surfaced in 2006, after 1700 years in the desert of Egypt as a leather-bound papyrus manuscript. The papyri on which the Gospel is written are fragmentary with some sections missing, in some cases scattered words, in others many lines. This is most likely due to the wear and tear associated with the elements and the passage of time. According to Rodolphe Kasser, the codex originally contained 62 pages; but when it came to the market in 1999, only 26 pages remained because individual pages had been removed and put up for sale. From time to time, these missing pages appear and are identified.

The Gospel of Judas manuscript was radiocarbon dated to between the 3rd and 4th centuries by Timothy Jull, a carbon-Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. expert at the University of Arizona's physics center. For comparison, the oldest fragment of John's Gospel — papyrus P52 — is dated around 125 C.E. However the Gospel of Judas is believed to be a copy of an older work Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. to 130–170 C.E. This is 100–140 years after the biblical date of the death of Jesus, leading some to question the work's historical veracity. But the generally accepted Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. for the canonical Gospel of John is only a few decades earlier — around 95-110. The Gospel of Judas was first mentioned by Irenaeus of Lyons writing around 180 C.E. (see below).

The Gospel of Judas is thought to have been written originally in Greek, but the manuscript is in ancient Coptic.

While it is clear that the author of the Gospel of Judas was almost certainly not Judas Iscariot, the authorship of the Gospel of John and many other New Testament books has been questioned by scholars as well.


Content

The content of the Gospel of Judas was referred to by Irenaeus, an early Bishop of Lyons, in Adversus Haereses, written in about 180 C.E., who said that some

declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves… They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictional history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas. [1]

This is in reference to the Cainites, a sect of gnosticism that especially worshipped Cain as a hero. The Cainites, like a large number of gnostic groups, were semi-maltheists believing that the god of the Old Testament—Yahweh—was evil, and a quite different and much lesser being to the deity that had created the universe, and was responsible for sending Jesus. Such gnostic groups worshipped as heroes all the Biblical figures which had sought to discover knowledge or challenge Yahweh's authority, while demonizing those who would have been seen as heroes in a more orthodox interpretation.

Certain of the Cainites maintained that Judas acted as he did in order that mankind might be redeemed by the death of Jesus. For this reason, they regarded him as worthy of gratitude and veneration. In this theory, it is suggested that Judas, who in common with the other disciples looked for a temporal kingdom of the Messiah ("the anointed one"), did not anticipate the death of Jesus, but wished to precipitate a political crisis and hasten the hour of triumph, thinking that the arrest of Jesus would provoke a rising of the people who would set him free and place him on the throne. In support of this, they point to the fact that, when Judas found that Jesus was condemned and given up to the Romans, he immediately repented of what he had done. These theories are at odds with those of mainstream church doctrine as derived from canonical scripture.

This Cainite heresy has always been a delicate one historically for the orthodox church. The Christian church has always held that Jesus underwent his passion and death freely, because of the sins of mankind and out of infinite love, in order that all could have the opportunity to reach salvation. Thus, Judas' betrayal of Jesus, even from an orthodox viewpoint, can be looked at as only a personal betrayal of Jesus and a violation of Judas' position as an apostle and not as a doctrinal violation.

Indeed, the Gospel of John, unlike the synoptic gospels, contains the enigmatic statement of Jesus to Judas as the latter leaves the Passover meal to set in motion the betrayal process, "Do quickly what you have to do." (John 13:27) (trans. The New English Bible).

Some two centuries after Irenaeus' complaint, Epiphanius of Salamis, bishop of Cyprus, criticized the Gospel of Judas for treating whom he saw as the betrayer of Jesus as commendable, one who "performed a good work for our salvation." (Haeres., xxxviii).

The portion of the manuscript that could be translated by later scholars tells of Judas being the favorite disciple of Jesus, possibly intended to be interpreted as the beloved disciple. Like much gnostic writing, which was written only for those who had attained a certain level of initiation, the Gospel of Judas claimed to be a secret account, specifically "the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot".

While, over the ages, many philosophers have contemplated the idea that Judas was required to have carried out his actions in order for Jesus to have died on the cross and hence fulfill theological obligations, the position was frequently condemned as heresy, and was not supported by any canonical account. However, the Gospel of Judas not only asserts that the actions of Judas were necessary, but that Judas was acting on the orders of Jesus himself.

The Gospel of Judas states that Jesus told Judas "You shall be cursed for generations." It then adds to this conversation that Jesus had told Judas "you will come to rule over them," and that "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me." [2]

Unlike the four canonical gospels, which employ narrative accounts of the life of Jesus, the Judas gospel takes the less structured form of a collection of sayings attributed to Jesus and brief dialogues between Jesus and Judas without being embedded in any narrative or worked into any overt philosophical or rhetorical context.

Like the Judas portrayed in the canonical gospels, the Judas of the Judas gospel converses with the scribes looking to arrest Jesus and receives money from them after handing Jesus over to them. But unlike the Judas in the canonical gospels, who is portrayed as a villain, and excoriated by Jesus, "Alas for that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born," (Mark 14:21; Matthew 26:24) (trans. The New English Bible), the Judas gospel portrays him as a divinely appointed instrument of a grand and predetermined purpose. "In the last days they will curse your ascent to the holy (generation)."

Another part shows Jesus favoring Judas apart from other disciples, saying, "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom," and later "Look, you have bee
n told everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star."

Muslim scholars point out that the discovery of the new manuscript is historical evidence of the Quranic narration that it was actually one of Jesus' beloved disciples—namely Judas—who was to die on the cross. They cite portions of the manuscript that describe Jesus praising Judas, "You will exceed all of them," Jesus says, and that Judas would "grieve a great deal" to enable him to ascend to the heavens. However, the Qur'an makes no mention of Judas, and the Gospel of Judas does not say that Judas was crucified.

[Cyberkat]

The Dead Sea scrolls comprise roughly 800 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran (near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea). The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they are practically the only remaining Biblical documents Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. from before AD 100 (Καλό ε?! )

Date and contents

According to carbon Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. and textual analysis, the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD. At least one document has a carbon date range of 21 BC–AD 61. The Nash Papyrus from Egypt, containing a copy of the Ten Commandments, is the only other Hebrew document of comparable antiquity. Similar written materials have been recovered from nearby sites, including the fortress of Masada. While some of the scrolls were written on papyrus, a good portion were written on a brownish animal skin (hide) that appears to be gevil.

The fragments span at least 800 texts that represent many diverse viewpoints, ranging from the beliefs of the Essenes to those of other sects. About 30% are fragments from the Hebrew Bible, from all the books except the Book of Esther and the Book of Nehemiah (Abegg et al 2002). About 25% are traditional Israelite religious texts that are not in the canonical Hebrew Bible, such as the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and the Testament of Levi. Another 30% contain Biblical commentaries or other texts such as the "Manual of Discipline" (1QS, also known as "Discipline Scroll" or "Community Rule") and the Rule of War (1QM, also known as "War Scroll") related to the beliefs, regulations, and membership requirements of a small Jewish sect, which many researchers believe lived in the Qumran area. The rest (about 15%) of the fragments are yet unidentified. Most of them are written in Hebrew (over 90%), but some are also written in Aramaic and a few in Greek. (See Hoffman 2004 for information about DSS Hebrew.) Only a few of the biblical scrolls were written at Qumran, the majority being copied before the Qumran period and coming into the ownership of the Qumran community (Abegg et al 2002). There is no evidence that the Qumran community altered the biblical texts that they did copy to reflect their own theology (Abegg et al 2002). It is thought that the Qumran community would have viewed the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees as divinely inspired scripture (Abegg et al 2002). The biblical texts cited most often in the nonbiblical Dead Sea Scrolls are the Psalms, followed by the Book of Isaiah and the Book of Deuteronomy(Abegg et al 2002).

Important texts include the Isaiah Scroll (discovered in 1947), a Commentary on the Habakkuk (1947); the Community Rule (1QS), which gives much information on the structure and theology of the sect; and the earliest version of the Damascus Document. The so-called Copper Scroll (1952), which lists hidden caches of gold, scrolls, and weapons, is probably the most notorious.

Also it is known that the scrolls are written with feathers from a bird and the ink used was made from carbon black and white pigments.


Interpretations

Essenes

According to a view almost universally held until the 1990, the documents were written and hidden by a community of Essenes who lived in the Qumran area. This is known as the Essene Hypothesis. Jews revolted against the Romans in AD 66. Before they were massacred by Roman troops, the Essenes hid their scriptures in caves, not to be discovered until 1947. The opinion that the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls were Essenes is the most prevalent view amongst scholars (Abegg et al 2002).


Sadducees

Another theory, which has been gaining popularity, is that the community was led by Zadokite priests (Sadducees). The most important document in support of this view is the "Miqsat Ma'ase haTorah" (MMT, 4Q394-), which states purity laws identical to those attributed in rabbinic writings to the Sadducees (such as concerning the transfer of impurities). This document also reproduces a festival calendar which follows Sadducee principles for the Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. of certain festival days. Additional evidence is found in 4QMMT which agrees with the Sadduceean position that held streams of liquid were ritually unclean contrary to Pharisee belief. Most scholars feel that despite the similarities in purity laws, some pretty large unbridged theological issues make this unlikely. For example, Josephus says that the Sadducees and the Essenes held opposing views of predestination, with the Essenes attributing everything to fate, while the Sadducees denied fate altogether. Similarly, many scrolls show evidence that the scroll authors believed the soul survived beyond death (and this belief included resurrection) which was contrary to the Sadducess who argued that there is no resurrection, no angel or spirit.

Temple library

In 1963 Karl Heinrich Rengstorf of the University of Münster put forth the theory that the Dead Sea scrolls originated at the library of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This theory was rejected by most scholars during the 1960s, who maintained that the scrolls were written at Qumran rather than transported from another location (a position supported by de Vaux's identification of a probable scriptorium within the ruins of Qumran). However, the theory was revived by Norman Golb and other scholars during the 1990s, who added that the scrolls probably also originated from several other libraries in addition to the Temple library.


Christian connections
Spanish Jesuit José O'Callaghan has argued that one fragment (7Q5) is a New Testament text from the Gospel of Mark, chapter 6, verses 52–53. In recent years this controversial assertion has been taken up again by German scholar Carsten Peter Thiede. A successful identification of this fragment as a passage from Mark would make it the earliest extant New Testament document, Ο λογαριασμός έχει παραβιαστεί, μην ανοίξετε το link. somewhere between AD 30 and 60. Opponents consider that the fragment is tiny and requires so much reconstruction (the only complete word in Greek is "και" = "and") that it could have come from a text other than Mark.

Robert Eisenman advanced the theory that some scrolls actually describe the early Christian community, characterized as more fundamentalist and rigid than the one portrayed by the New Testament. Eisenman also attempted to relate the career of James the Just and Paul of Tarsus to some of these documents.

Other theories

Some of the scrolls may actually be the lost books mentioned in the Bible. Because they are frequently described as important to the history of the Bible, the scrolls are surrounded by a wide range of conspiracy theories: one example is the claim that they were entirely fabricated or planted by extra-terrestrials. There is also writing about the Nephilim related to the Book of Enoch. Other theories with more support among scholars include Qumran as a military fortress or a winter resort (Abegg et al 2002).

English Translation of the Psalms Scroll (Tehillim) 11QPs

Courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority

Column 19: Plea for Deliverance (A Noncanonical Psalm)

Surely a maggot cannot praise thee nor a grave worm recount thy loving-kindness.
But the living can praise thee, even those who stumble can laud thee. In revealing
thy kindness to them and by thy righteousness thou dost enlighten them. For in thy hand is the soul of every
living thing; the breath of all flesh hast thou given. Deal with us, O LORD,
/>according to thy goodness, according to thy great mercy, and according to thy many righteous deeds. The LORD
has heeded the voice of those who love his name and has not deprived them of his loving-kindness.
Blessed be the LORD, who executes righteous deeds, crowning his saints
with loving-kindness and mercy. My soul cries out to praise thy name, to sing high praises
for thy loving deeds, to proclaim thy faithfulness--of praise of thee there is no end. Near death
was I for my sins, and my iniquities have sold me to the grave; but thou didst save me,
O LORD, according to thy great mercy, and according to thy many righteous deeds. Indeed have I
loved thy name, and in thy protection have I found refuge. When I remember thy might my heart
is brave, and upon thy mercies do I lean. Forgive my sin, O LORD,
and purify me from my iniquity. Vouchsafe me a spirit of faith and knowledge, and let me not be dishonored
in ruin. Let not Satan rule over me, nor an unclean spirit; neither let pain nor the evil
inclination take possession of my bones. For thou, O LORD, art my praise, and in thee do I hope
all the day. Let my brothers rejoice with me and the house of my father, who are astonished by the graciousness...
[ ] For e[ver] I will rejoice in thee.

English Translation of The War Rule (Serekh ha-Milhamah)

4Q285 (SM)
Courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority (12)

]Isaiah the prophet: [The thickets of the forest] will be cut [down
with an axe and Lebanon by a majestic one will f]all. And there shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse [
] the Branch of David and they will enter into judgement with [
] and the Prince of the Congregation, the Bran[ch of David] will kill him [
by stroke]s and by wounds. And a Priest [of renown (?)] will command [
the s]lai[n] of the Kitti[m]

Ρε γμτ τουλάχιστον αυτά τα χειρόγραφα έχουν λογοτεχνική αξία!!!   Σε αντίθεση με το μεγαλύτερο μέρος των ευαγγελίων.
Και περιλαμβάνουν και WAR RULE!!!

[Nessa NetMonster]

Με άλλα λόγια λες, ότι θα ψάξεις για το ΑΝ υπάρχει Θεός, μόνο αν πιστεύεις ότι υπάρχει.

Δεν είπα αυτό.

Δικαίωμα του καθενός από την άλλη είναι, όσο "επιστημονικός" και αν θέλει να αυτοπαρουσιάζεται, να αφήνει πεδία ανεξερεύνητα.

Και πώς θα πρότεινες να "εξερευνήσω" ένα θρησκευτικό ζήτημα;

πεποίθηση μου:
Χριστιανισμός = Αγαπάτε Αλλήλους

Πεποίθησή μου: Δεν έχεις διαβάσει την Παλαιά Διαθήκη

[fugiFOX]

Θα σταθώ σε ένα σημείο, επειδή το έχεις και με έντονα γράμματα.
"Do quickly what you have to do."
Ε, λοιπόν τι μας λέει αυτή η πρόταση;
you have to do=πρέπει να κάνεις
ποιος ορίζει αυτό που πρέπει να κάνει;
Εγώ δεν βλέπω πουθενά να φαίνεται. Βοήθησέ με

[fugiFOX]

πεποίθηση μου:
Χριστιανισμός = Αγαπάτε Αλλήλους

Πεποίθησή μου: Δεν έχεις διαβάσει την Παλαιά Διαθήκη

Προφανώς αναφέρεσαι στο οφθαλμόν αντί οφθαλμού έτσι;
Αυτό είναι και το λάθος σου.

[Nessa NetMonster]

Προφανώς αναφέρεσαι στο οφθαλμόν αντί οφθαλμού έτσι;

Αναφέρομαι σχεδόν σε όλες τις πράξεις του κατά τα άλλα Πανάγαθου Θεού, καθώς και των πιστών του...

[aliakmwn]

πεποίθηση μου:
Χριστιανισμός = Αγαπάτε Αλλήλους

Πεποίθησή μου: Δεν έχεις διαβάσει την Παλαιά Διαθήκη

Προφανώς αναφέρεσαι στο οφθαλμόν αντί οφθαλμού έτσι;
Αυτό είναι και το λάθος σου.

Εσυ παντως fugi δεν την εχεις διαβασει την Παλαια Διαθηκη. Ειναι δεδομενο.

Δεν αναφερομαι στις ιστοριουλες που ακουσες στο σχολειο, στο κατηχητικο ή που ειδες στην τηλεοραση. Το κειμενο της ΠΔ δεν το εχεις διαβασει. Η παντελης αγνοια σου και οι ο,τι να 'ναι απαντησεις σου το αποδεικνυουν.

[fugiFOX]

Προφανώς αναφέρεσαι στο οφθαλμόν αντί οφθαλμού έτσι;

Αναφέρομαι σχεδόν σε όλες τις πράξεις του κατά τα άλλα Πανάγαθου Θεού, καθώς και των πιστών του...

Πες μου σε ποιες αναφέρεσαι να τις σχολιάσουμε αν θέλεις.

πεποίθηση μου:
Χριστιανισμός = Αγαπάτε Αλλήλους

Πεποίθησή μου: Δεν έχεις διαβάσει την Παλαιά Διαθήκη

Προφανώς αναφέρεσαι στο οφθαλμόν αντί οφθαλμού έτσι;
Αυτό είναι και το λάθος σου.

Εσυ παντως fugi δεν την εχεις διαβασει την Παλαια Διαθηκη. Ειναι δεδομενο.

Δεν αναφερομαι στις ιστοριουλες που ακουσες στο σχολειο, στο κατηχητικο ή που ειδες στην τηλεοραση. Το κειμενο της ΠΔ δεν το εχεις διαβασει. Η παντελης αγνοια σου και οι ο,τι να 'ναι απαντησεις σου το αποδεικνυουν.

Αφού το λες εσύ κάτι θα ξέρεις...

[aliakmwn]

Εγω ξερω, εσυ εισαι αυτος που δεν ξερει...

Η ΠΔ ειναι ενα πορνογραφημα, εχει μεσα ο,τι μπορει να βαλει ο νους σου. Ο Αβρααμ ηταν ο νταβατζης της Σαρας, το γραφει ξεκαθαρα. Αλλα εσυ δεν το εχεις διαβασει. Ο Ισαακ νταβατζης της γυναικας του ομοιως. Αλλα ουτε αυτο το εχεις διαβασει. Ο Νωε πουλησε το μικροτερο του γιο, ως σκλαβο στους μεγαλυτερους γιους του, επειδη κατα λαθος τον ειδε γυμνο μια μερα που μεθυσε. Αλλα ουτε αυτο το ξερεις. Ο Λοτ πηδηχτηκε με τις κορες του και τις γκαστρωσε, αφου πρωτα τον μεθυσαν, αλλα ουτε αυτο το ξερεις. Ο Δαβιδ (νομιζω... Εδω εχω κενο, μπορω να ψαξω αλλα λιγη σημασια εχει... Ουτως ή αλλως δεν την εχεις διαβασει αρα δεν μπορεις και να με διαψευσεις) ο Δαβιδ λοιπον Οντως εκανα λαθος, δεν ηταν ο Δαβιδ αλλα ο Αμνων, ο γιος του Δαβιδ: ο αμνων λοιπον γαμησε την αδερφη του. Ο Αυναν..... χμμμ αυτος δεν εκανε τιποτα ο καημενος, αλλα ο Θεος τον τιμωρησε επειδη ηταν μαλακας - κυριολεκτικα

Ισχυριζεσαι λοιπον οτι ολα αυτα τα εχεις διαβασει, και παρ' ολα αυτα εξακολουθεις να θεωρεις την ΠΔ ως ενα απο τα δυο Ιερα Βιβλια της θρησκειας σου, εξακολουθεις να την πιστευεις και να την προσκυνας?

Ε αν ειναι να προσκυνας την υποταγη στη σαρκικη ηδονη ρε αγορι μου, να σου δανεισω κατι βιβλιαρακια του ΝτεΣαντ, να μπεις τουλαχιστον στο σωστο δρομο

[fugiFOX]

Είναι όπως τα λες. Βέβαια βέβαια.
Τι θα σου φέρουμε αντίρηση;
Τς τς

Ισχυριζεσαι λοιπον οτι ολα αυτα τα εχεις διαβασει, και παρ' ολα αυτα εξακολουθεις να θεωρεις την ΠΔ ως ενα απο τα δυο Ιερα Βιβλια της θρησκειας σου, εξακολουθεις να την πιστευεις και να την προσκυνας?

Που είδες να το γράφω αυτό;

[aliakmwn]

Δηλαδη δεν την θεωρεις ιερο βιβλιο, δεν την αναγνωριζεις ως κομματι της θρησκειας σου?

[fugiFOX]

Αλιάκμων με απογοητεύεις...
Εσύ που έχεις διαβάσει και γνωρίζεις πολύ καλά όπως διατυμπανίζεις
ας μας πεις.

[arkas]

Εγω ξερω, εσυ εισαι αυτος που δεν ξερει...

Η ΠΔ ειναι ενα πορνογραφημα, εχει μεσα ο,τι μπορει να βαλει ο νους σου. Ο Αβρααμ ηταν ο νταβατζης της Σαρας, το γραφει ξεκαθαρα. Αλλα εσυ δεν το εχεις διαβασει. Ο Ισαακ νταβατζης της γυναικας του ομοιως. Αλλα ουτε αυτο το εχεις διαβασει. Ο Νωε πουλησε το μικροτερο του γιο, ως σκλαβο στους μεγαλυτερους γιους του, επειδη κατα λαθος τον ειδε γυμνο μια μερα που μεθυσε. Αλλα ουτε αυτο το ξερεις. Ο Λοτ πηδηχτηκε με τις κορες του και τις γκαστρωσε, αφου πρωτα τον μεθυσαν, αλλα ουτε αυτο το ξερεις. Ο Δαβιδ (νομιζω... Εδω εχω κενο, μπορω να ψαξω αλλα λιγη σημασια εχει... Ουτως ή αλλως δεν την εχεις διαβασει αρα δεν μπορεις και να με διαψευσεις) ο Δαβιδ λοιπον Οντως εκανα λαθος, δεν ηταν ο Δαβιδ αλλα ο Αμνων, ο γιος του Δαβιδ: ο αμνων λοιπον γαμησε την αδερφη του. Ο Αυναν..... χμμμ αυτος δεν εκανε τιποτα ο καημενος, αλλα ο Θεος τον τιμωρησε επειδη ηταν μαλακας - κυριολεκτικα

Ισχυριζεσαι λοιπον οτι ολα αυτα τα εχεις διαβασει, και παρ' ολα αυτα εξακολουθεις να θεωρεις την ΠΔ ως ενα απο τα δυο Ιερα Βιβλια της θρησκειας σου, εξακολουθεις να την πιστευεις και να την προσκυνας?

Ε αν ειναι να προσκυνας την υποταγη στη σαρκικη ηδονη ρε αγορι μου, να σου δανεισω κατι βιβλιαρακια του ΝτεΣαντ, να μπεις τουλαχιστον στο σωστο δρομο

Σε προκαλω ευγενικα να φερεις τα αντιστοιχα χωρια(καποια απο αυτα εστω) που αποδεικνυουν οοοοοοολα αυτα που γραφεις,για να μας μορφωσεις όλους.Δε νομιζω οτι εχεις διαβασει την ΠΔ,καποιος στα ψιθυρισε καποτε κι εσυ τα πιπιλας τωρα θεωροντας οτι τα ξερεις όλα.

Σε καθε αλλη περιπτωση θα εισαι ενας κοινος ψευτομαγκας δυστυχως,οποτε θα σε αφησω να συνεχιζεις να βγαζεις το κομπλεξ σου. 

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Σε προκαλω ευγενικα να φερεις τα αντιστοιχα χωρια(καποια απο αυτα εστω) που αποδεικνυουν οοοοοοολα αυτα που γραφεις,για να μας μορφωσεις όλους.Δε νομιζω οτι εχεις διαβασει την ΠΔ,καποιος στα ψιθυρισε καποτε κι εσυ τα πιπιλας τωρα θεωροντας οτι τα ξερεις όλα.

Σε καθε αλλη περιπτωση θα εισαι ενας κοινος ψευτομαγκας δυστυχως,οποτε θα σε αφησω να συνεχιζεις να βγαζεις το κομπλεξ σου. 

Ο Αβρααμ ηταν ο νταβατζης της γυναικας του, της Σαρας.
Κατ' αρχην, την προωθησε στον Φαραω: "Γενεσις" ΙΒ, 11-19
Μετα, οταν τον εδιωξαν οι Αιγυπτιοι, την προωθησε στους Φιλισταιους, στο βασιλια Αβιμελεχ: "Γενεσις" Κ, 2-12, 14-16

Ο Ισαακ ηταν επισης νταβατζης της γυναικας του, της Ρεβεκκας.
Κι αυτος, σαν τον πατερα του, παρουσιασε τη γυναικα του ως αδερφη του στους Φιλισταιους: "Γενεσις" ΚΣΤ, 7-11, 16

Η συζυγος του Ιακωβ, Ραχηλ, ηταν επισης προαγωγος. Νταβατζωθηκε μια κοπελιτσα, την Βαλλα, και την εκανε πασα στο συζυγο της: "Γενεσις" Λ, 4
Την παιδουλα Βαλλα, πηδηξε επισης και ο γιος του Ιακωβ, ο Ρουβην: "Γενεσις" ΛΕ, 21

Ο γιος του Δαβιβ, ο Αμνων, προσποιηθηκε τον αρρωστο. Η αδερφη του (και αδερφη του Αβεσσαλωμ) η Θημαρ, του εφερε φαγητο. Την βιασε και μετα την εδιωξε: "Βασιλειων Β" ΙΓ, 11-21

Μετα την καταστροφη των Σοδωμων και Γομορων, οι κορες του Λοτ (του οποιου η γυναικα ως γνωστον ειχε γινει... στηλη αλατος) μεθυσαν τον πατερα τους και πηδηχτηκαν μαζι του "για να συνεχιστει η φυλη". Αιμομιξια λοιπον στο μενου: "Γενεσις" ΙΘ, 30-36

Ο Νωε λοιπον, ο οποιος εζησε και καλα 950 χρονια, καποτε μεθυσε, πανω στη μεθη πεταξε τα ρουχα του, και ο μικρος γιος του τον ειδε γυμνο. Ετρε_
8;ε και ειδοποιησε τα αδερφια του, τα οποια τον πλησιασαν χωρις να τον κοιταξουν και τον τυλιξαν με ρουχα. Ομως, ο μικρος τον ειχε ηδη δει, κι ετσι ο φιλευσπλαχνος πατερας καταραστηκε το μικρο του γιο και τον εδωσε ως σκλαβο στους μεγαλυτερους: "Γενεσις" Θ, 21-26

Υπαρχουν κι ενα σωρο αλλα κομματια... πιο σεξουλιαρικα απ' αυτα


Μη βγαζεις λοιπον τοσο ευκολα συμπερασματα

[Alexkasgr]

πεποίθηση μου:
Χριστιανισμός = Αγαπάτε Αλλήλους

Aυτό δεν είναι η θρησκεία του Χριστιανισμού, αλλά το ηθικό σύστημα αξιών που θέλησε να φέρει στον κόσμο ο Ιησούς (δεχόμενος ότι όσα ο ίδιος δίδαξε είναι όπως τα έχουμε ακούσει όλοι μας από το σχολείο).

Σε αυτό το κομμάτι, θεωρώ ότι ο Χριστιανισμός είναι η θρησκεία με το πιο σωστό "πακέτο" ηθικών αξιών από όλες και σαν σκεπτόμενο άτομο με καλύπτει και προσπαθώ να τον εφαρμόζω.

Δεν νομίζω όμως ότι η Χριστιανισμός όπως τον γνωρίζουμε όλοι προσπαθεί να μας δώσει κάποιες καλές αρχές συμπεριφοράς στην κοινωνία μας, αλλά δυστυχώς είναι απλώς ένας πειστικός τρόπος χειραγώγησης μεγάλου πλήθους ατόμων (και άρα συνειδήσεων), αντίστοιχη πολλών χειραγωγήσεων που που οι μη-σκεπτόμενοι άνθρωποι υφίστανται καθημερινά (κλασικό παράδειγμα τα ζώα οι Γαύροι που τους βάζει ο Κόκκαλης να τον πληρώνουν στο όνομα της "ιδέα" της ομάδας).