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Title: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: g on February 18, 2014, 16:13:03 pm
James Lovelock: 'enjoy life while you can: in 20 years global warming will hit the fan'
The climate science maverick believes catastrophe is inevitable, carbon offsetting is a joke and ethical living a scam. So what would he do? By Decca Aitkenhead


In 1965 executives at Shell wanted to know what the world would look like in the year 2000. They consulted a range of experts, who speculated about fusion-powered hovercrafts and "all sorts of fanciful technological stuff". When the oil company asked the scientist James Lovelock, he predicted that the main problem in 2000 would be the environment. "It will be worsening then to such an extent that it will seriously affect their business," he said.

"And of course," Lovelock says, with a smile 43 years later, "that's almost exactly what's happened."

Lovelock has been dispensing predictions from his one-man laboratory in an old mill in Cornwall since the mid-1960s, the consistent accuracy of which have earned him a reputation as one of Britain's most respected - if maverick - independent scientists. Working alone since the age of 40, he invented a device that detected CFCs, which helped detect the growing hole in the ozone layer, and introduced the Gaia hypothesis, a revolutionary theory that the Earth is a self-regulating super-organism. Initially ridiculed by many scientists as new age nonsense, today that theory forms the basis of almost all climate science.

For decades, his advocacy of nuclear power appalled fellow environmentalists - but recently increasing numbers of them have come around to his way of thinking. His latest book, The Revenge of Gaia, predicts that by 2020 extreme weather will be the norm, causing global devastation; that by 2040 much of Europe will be Saharan; and parts of London will be underwater. The most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report deploys less dramatic language - but its calculations aren't a million miles away from his.

As with most people, my panic about climate change is equalled only by my confusion over what I ought to do about it. A meeting with Lovelock therefore feels a little like an audience with a prophet. Buried down a winding track through wild woodland, in an office full of books and papers and contraptions involving dials and wires, the 88-year-old presents his thoughts with a quiet, unshakable conviction that can be unnerving. More alarming even than his apocalyptic climate predictions is his utter certainty that almost everything we're trying to do about it is wrong.

On the day we meet, the Daily Mail has launched a campaign to rid Britain of plastic shopping bags. The initiative sits comfortably within the current canon of eco ideas, next to ethical consumption, carbon offsetting, recycling and so on - all of which are premised on the calculation that individual lifestyle adjustments can still save the planet. This is, Lovelock says, a deluded fantasy. Most of the things we have been told to do might make us feel better, but they won't make any difference. Global warming has passed the tipping point, and catastrophe is unstoppable.

"It's just too late for it," he says. "Perhaps if we'd gone along routes like that in 1967, it might have helped. But we don't have time. All these standard green things, like sustainable development, I think these are just words that mean nothing. I get an awful lot of people coming to me saying you can't say that, because it gives us nothing to do. I say on the contrary, it gives us an immense amount to do. Just not the kinds of things you want to do."

He dismisses eco ideas briskly, one by one. "Carbon offsetting? I wouldn't dream of it. It's just a joke. To pay money to plant trees, to think you're offsetting the carbon? You're probably making matters worse. You're far better off giving to the charity Cool Earth, which gives the money to the native peoples to not take down their forests."

Do he and his wife try to limit the number of flights they take? "No we don't. Because we can't." And recycling, he adds, is "almost certainly a waste of time and energy", while having a "green lifestyle" amounts to little more than "ostentatious grand gestures". He distrusts the notion of ethical consumption. "Because always, in the end, it turns out to be a scam ... or if it wasn't one in the beginning, it becomes one."

Somewhat unexpectedly, Lovelock concedes that the Mail's plastic bag campaign seems, "on the face of it, a good thing". But it transpires that this is largely a tactical response; he regards it as merely more rearrangement of Titanic deckchairs, "but I've learnt there's no point in causing a quarrel over everything". He saves his thunder for what he considers the emptiest false promise of all - renewable energy.

"You're never going to get enough energy from wind to run a society such as ours," he says. "Windmills! Oh no. No way of doing it. You can cover the whole country with the blasted things, millions of them. Waste of time."

This is all delivered with an air of benign wonder at the intractable stupidity of people. "I see it with everybody. People just want to go on doing what they're doing. They want business as usual. They say, 'Oh yes, there's going to be a problem up ahead,' but they don't want to change anything."

Lovelock believes global warming is now irreversible, and that nothing can prevent large parts of the planet becoming too hot to inhabit, or sinking underwater, resulting in mass migration, famine and epidemics. Britain is going to become a lifeboat for refugees from mainland Europe, so instead of wasting our time on wind turbines we need to start planning how to survive. To Lovelock, the logic is clear. The sustainability brigade are insane to think we can save ourselves by going back to nature; our only chance of survival will come not from less technology, but more.

Nuclear power, he argues, can solve our energy problem - the bigger challenge will be food. "Maybe they'll synthesise food. I don't know. Synthesising food is not some mad visionary idea; you can buy it in Tesco's, in the form of Quorn. It's not that good, but people buy it. You can live on it." But he fears we won't invent the necessary technologies in time, and expects "about 80%" of the world's population to be wiped out by 2100. Prophets have been foretelling Armageddon since time began, he says. "But this is the real thing."

Faced with two versions of the future - Kyoto's preventative action and Lovelock's apocalypse - who are we to believe? Some critics have suggested Lovelock's readiness to concede the fight against climate change owes more to old age than science: "People who say that about me haven't reached my age," he says laughing.

But when I ask if he attributes the conflicting predictions to differences in scientific understanding or personality, he says: "Personality."

There's more than a hint of the controversialist in his work, and it seems an unlikely coincidence that Lovelock became convinced of the irreversibility of climate change in 2004, at the very point when the international consensus was coming round to the need for urgent action. Aren't his theories at least partly driven by a fondness for heresy?

"Not a bit! Not a bit! All I want is a quiet life! But I can't help noticing when things happen, when you go out and find something. People don't like it because it upsets their ideas."

But the suspicion seems confirmed when I ask if he's found it rewarding to see many of his climate change warnings endorsed by the IPCC. "Oh no! In fact, I'm writing another book now, I'm about a third of the way into it, to try and take the next steps ahead."

Interviewers often remark upon the discrepancy between Lovelock's predictions of doom, and his good humour. "Well I'm cheerful!" he says, smiling. "I'm an optimist. It's going to happen."

Humanity is in a period exactly like 1938-9, he explains, when "we all knew something terrible was going to happen, but didn't know what to do about it". But once the second world war was under way, "everyone got excited, they loved the things they could do, it was one long holiday ... so when I think of the impending crisis now, I think in those terms. A sense of purpose - that's what people want."

At moments I wonder about Lovelock's credentials as a prophet. Sometimes he seems less clear-eyed with scientific vision than disposed to see the version of the future his prejudices are looking for. A socialist as a young man, he now favours market forces, and it's not clear whether his politics are the child or the father of his science. His hostility to renewable energy, for example, gets expressed in strikingly Eurosceptic terms of irritation with subsidies and bureaucrats. But then, when he talks about the Earth - or Gaia - it is in the purest scientific terms all.

"There have been seven disasters since humans came on the earth, very similar to the one that's just about to happen. I think these events keep separating the wheat from the chaff. And eventually we'll have a human on the planet that really does understand it and can live with it properly. That's the source of my optimism."

What would Lovelock do now, I ask, if he were me? He smiles and says: "Enjoy life while you can. Because if you're lucky it's going to be 20 years before it hits the fan."

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange


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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Wade on February 18, 2014, 17:21:36 pm
4 χρόνια αργότερα: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: g on February 18, 2014, 17:37:43 pm
Αν δεν τον πλήρωσαν για να μην τρομοκρατεί και ξεσηκώνει τον κόσμο μαλακία. Ψηνόμουν περισσότερο για τέτοια φάση παρά για παγκόσμιο πυρηνικό πόλεμο ...


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Wade on February 18, 2014, 17:44:59 pm
Προτιμώ zombie apocalypse, αν είναι να έρθει το τέλος του κόσμου τουλάχιστον ας το διασκεδάσουμε και λίγο.


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: TrueForce on February 18, 2014, 17:46:50 pm
Προτιμώ zombie apocalypse, αν είναι να έρθει το τέλος του κόσμου τουλάχιστον ας το διασκεδάσουμε και λίγο.
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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Ex_Mechanus on February 18, 2014, 19:28:38 pm
sto zombie apocalypse 8a eimaste ta zombie


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on February 16, 2020, 04:35:37 am
ΚΑΙ ΣΤΗΝ ΙΚΑΡΙΑ
Ανοιξαν οι ουρανοί στη Ρόδο - Σοβαρά προβλήματα, έπεσαν πάνω από 100 χιλιοστά βροχής [βίντεο]
15|02|2020 | 22:12

Σημαντικές βροχές με μεγάλα ύψη υετού αλλά και καταιγίδες σημειώθηκαν στο νησί της Ρόδου το Σάββατο.

(https://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/inline-images/meteo-broxi-eikona.jpg)

Πιο συγκεκριμένα, όπως αναφέρει το meteo, 104 χιλιοστά καταγράφηκαν στη Λίνδο και 100 χιλιοστά στον Έμπωνα Ρόδου. Στον πίνακα που ακολουθεί φαίνονται οι 8 σταθμοί του δικτύου αυτόματων μετεωρολογικών σταθμών του Εθνικού Αστεροσκοπείου Αθηνών/meteo.gr που κατέγραψαν τα μεγαλύτερα ύψη βροχής έως τις πρώτες βραδινές ώρες του Σαββάτου 15/2.

Μάλιστα, στα νότια θαλάσσια τμήματα της χώρας το σύστημα καταγραφής κεραυνών «ΖΕΥΣ» του Εθνικού Αστεροσκοπείου Αθηνών κατέγραψε περίπου 2.000 κεραυνούς τις βραδινές ώρες του Σαββάτου.

Νωρίτερα, κάποιοι κάτοικοι στη Ρόδο άρχισαν να χρησιμοποιούν και... κανό μετά την έντονη βροχόπτωση που έπληξε το νησί. Χαρακτηριστικό είναι το βίντεο που αναρτήθηκε στα μέσα κοινωνικής δικτύωσης, όπου στη Λάρδο κάτοικος του χωριού επιστράτευσε την ευρηματικότητά του για να μπορέσει να μετακινηθεί στους πλημμυρισμένους δρόμους:
...

https://www.iefimerida.gr/ellada/anoixan-oi-oyranoi-sti-rodo-pano-apo-100-hiliosta-brohis

Ta 90 και πάνω χιλιοστά είναι καταστροφή. Μια φορά έζησα το τι θα πει 140-180 σε μία μέρα. 2 μήνες καθαρίζαμε τις λάσπες. Πετώντας τόννους νερό με λάστιχα με πλυστικά, που επίσης δεν είναι και ότι καλύτερο να σπαταλάς. Τα λασπόνερα είχαν φτάσει σε ύψος 1,40-1,80 σε κάποια σημεία, κάποια αμάξια είχαν θαφτεί στα βρωμόνερα σχεδόν εντελώς, φαινόταν μόνο η οροφή τους. Παρά τρίχα θα υπήρχαν 2 νεκροί. Ο ένας, 70χρονος τον στρίμωξε το ποτάμι ανάμεσα σε 2 αμάξια, αφού παρέσυρε το ένα, σύρθηκε πάνω στο δικό του, αυτός ήταν εκεί εκείνη τη στιγμή αφού πήγε να πάρει τελευταία στιγμή το αμάξι του να το πάει μακριά να το σώσει και τον έκανε σάντουϊτς. Έκλαιγε όταν τον ρώτησα πως ακριβώς έγινε. Ο άλλος κοιμόταν σε ένα τροχόσπιτο και ξύπνησε όταν το στρώμα του επέπλεε μέσα στο νερό μέσα στο τροχόσπιτο.


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on July 28, 2021, 22:46:55 pm
Κλιματική αλλαγή: «Καμπανάκι» από 13.000 επιστήμονες για άμεση λήψη μέτρων

https://www.cnn.gr/perivallon/story/275882/klimatiki-allagi-kampanaki-apo-13-000-epistimones-gia-amesi-lipsi-metron/amp
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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on August 12, 2021, 22:03:09 pm
Greenhouse gas emissions must peak within 4 years, says leaked UN report
Group of scientists release draft IPCC report as they fear it will be watered down by governments

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/12/greenhouse-gas-emissions-must-peak-within-4-years-says-leaked-un-report
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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on August 14, 2021, 17:58:19 pm
IPCC
Sixth Assessment Report

AR6 Climate Change 2021:
The Physical Science Basis

 The Working Group I contribution to the Sixth Assessment Report addresses the most up-to-date physical understanding of the climate system and climate change, bringing together the latest advances in climate science, and combining multiple lines of evidence from paleoclimate, observations, process understanding, and global and regional climate simulations.

Disclaimer: The Summary for Policymakers (SPM) is the approved version from the 14th session of Working Group I and 54th Session of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and remains subject to final copy-editing and layout.

The Technical Summary (TS), the full Report Chapters, the Annexes and the Supplementary Materials are the Final Government Distribution versions, and remain subject to revisions following the SPM approval, corrigenda, copy-editing, and layout. Although these documents still carry the note from the Final Government Distribution “Do Not Cite, Quote or Distribute” they may be freely published subject to the disclaimer above, as the report has now been approved and accepted.

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https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

Is the US(A) Becoming a Dystopia?

https://youtu.be/AmXQ3nQBE4U
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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on August 15, 2021, 15:25:29 pm
The Observer
It’s now or never: Scientists warn time of reckoning has come for the planet

The IPCC is unequivocal: we must take urgent action to curb global heating and prevent catastrophe. Will our policymakers and the Cop26 conference be up to the task?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/15/its-now-or-never-scientists-warn-time-of-reckoning-has-come-for-the-planet

Στη φωτό : (Volunteers support firefighters tackling a wildfire next to the village of Kamatriades on the Greek island of Evia.)
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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on August 15, 2021, 21:42:57 pm
Guardian front page, 10 August 2021 – Global climate crisis: inevitable, unprecedented and irreversible https://t.co/AruTFXzRyj

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1424842387344351232

Just published: Front page of the Financial Times, UK edition, for Tuesday 10th August https://t.co/5psTw7q6HI

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1424828238279368707

Όταν θέλουν να κρύψουν τον υπαίτιο λόγω συμφερόντων...

Marijuana has never been more popular in the U.S. — and its carbon emissions have never posed a bigger threat to the climate

https://t.co/x9ueqLLRQ4

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1425073207531524097

Και η τάπα δεν άργησε :

They’re covering marijuana emissions so you don’t pay attention to this btw https://t.co/0ufk23tmxJ

https://twitter.com/MakeItRayn_/status/1426286530012880899



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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on August 21, 2021, 17:20:26 pm
Swathes of Siberia burn in climate catastrophe
Fires have released CO2 equivalent to Germany’s annual emissions
Satellite images show smoke from fires across huge areas of Yakutia

Marc Bennetts, Yakutia
Saturday August 21 2021, 12.01am, The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/swathes-of-siberia-burn-in-climate-catastrophe-jqkszcmmr

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Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on June 05, 2022, 22:59:20 pm
2077 - 10 Seconds to the Future | Global Estrangement | Free Documentary
20 May 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTOduDIkcdM

UN scientists say it's 'now or never' to limit global warming - BBC News
04 Apr 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBjabNusoKM


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on May 13, 2023, 13:39:24 pm
Why Capitalism is Killing Us (And The Planet)

"Από το 1988 100 πολυεθνικές εταιρίες (και τα προϊόντα τους φυσικά που χρησιμοποιούμε θέλουμε δε θέλουμε όλοι μας) προκάλεσαν το 71% των αερίων θερμοκηπίου."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxP2TzYcNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxP2TzYcNw

280,287 views • 7 May 2021  

#Socialism #Capitalism #ClimateChange

Why does Capitalism cause climate change? Support OCC and get 20+ bonus, ad-free videos by signing up for Nebula: https://go.nebula.tv/occ/

In this Our Changing Climate climate change video essay, I look at why capitalism is killing us (and the planet) by causing climate change. Specifically, I look at how capitalism's
multinationals like ExxonMobil and BP are responsible for increased emissions and ultimately the climate crisis we are living through today. Capitalism's growth-at-all-costs paradigm runs
counter to the material realities of the Earth we live on. In addition to causing climate change, capitalists have found insidious ways to profit off of and engrain free market,
neoliberal ideas into the global economy in the wake of climate change-fueled disasters. This is called disaster capitalism and will only get worse as the climate crisis causes more and
more chaos. Flying in the face of this capitalist destruction are countless revolutionary movements and ideas that are working to dismantle the profit and growth economy and lift up the
people instead. Eco-socialism moving into communism, degrowth, buen vivir, and food sovereignty are just a few philosophical tactics that are being championed by the masses as a means of
countering the destructive tendencies of capitalism.


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on September 07, 2023, 00:32:53 am
This Will Be My Most Disliked Video On YouTube | Climate Change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvd9FensT8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvd9FensT8


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on October 05, 2023, 17:51:46 pm
Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Directed by Jeff Gibbs | Full Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

14,569,339 views  21 Apr 2020
Michael Moore presents a film by Jeff Gibbs, Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will  — that we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America. This film is the wake-up call to the reality we are afraid to face: that in the midst of a human-caused extinction event, the environmental movement’s answer is to push for techno-fixes and band-aids. It's too little, too late.
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Removed from the debate is the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption. Why is this not THE issue? Because that would be bad for profits, bad for business. Have we environmentalists fallen for illusions, “green” illusions, that are anything but green, because we’re scared that this is the end—and we’ve pinned all our hopes on biomass, wind turbines, and electric cars?

No amount of batteries are going to save us, warns director Jeff Gibbs (lifelong environmentalist and co-producer of “Fahrenheit 9/11” and “Bowling for Columbine"). This urgent, must-see movie, a full-frontal assault on our sacred cows, is guaranteed to generate anger, debate, and, hopefully, a willingness to see our survival in a new way—before it’s too late.

Featuring: Al Gore, Bill McKibben, Richard Branson, Robert F Kennedy Jr., Michael Bloomberg, Van Jones, Vinod Khosla, Koch Brothers, Vandana Shiva, General Motors, 350.org, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Nature Conservancy, Elon Musk, Tesla.

Website: https://planetofthehumans.com/


Climate Change: What Will Our Lives Look Like in 2050?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpt0iNE0EK4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpt0iNE0EK4


Title: Re: Brace yourselves (global warming)
Post by: Katarameno on June 22, 2024, 13:41:26 pm
Μέκκα: Ξεπερνούν τους 1.000 οι νεκροί προσκυνητές – Θερμοκρασίες έως 52°C

https://www.news247.gr/kosmos/mekka-xepernoun-tous-1-000-oi-nekroi-proskinites-thermokrasies-eos-52c/

Γιατί δεν προσεύχονται να σώσει τον πλανήτη ή έστω τις χώρες τους απ' τον καύσωνα ο Μωάμεθ τους?
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